YouTube public comment dialogue with atheist Robert Judd in regards to my video, “Lust and Pre-marital Sex in the Life of a Christian.” Robert feels his mission is to protect the souls of Christians who have bought into the "lie" of God, by pulling them away from faith in Christ.
Robert: Sex isn't wrong! Lust is the expression of our very human needs, that is why it's so powerful. I never 'battled' it because I knew how to control my sexual needs, the problem is that when people who are indoctrinated with fear and shame over their sexual needs, they begin to hate themselves. People who have healthy and modern views on human sexuality don't suffer this way and they will have very satisfying sexual encounters that don't leave them ashamed. What makes people ashamed and feel bad is the guilt they feel when they have sex, which should never be there, you're experiencing a human need, so don't allow your religious beliefs to spoil it. IT's time to reject that fear-mongering that religion feeds you and understand that sex is the expression of the human condition. Humans are animals and have human needs that include sex, so whether it's pre-marital, gay sex or any other kind of sex it's a very good thing, unless it harms you or someone else!
Michael: Hello Robert! For God fearing, born again Christians who have put their faith in Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins, sex outside of the marriage between a man and a woman, is indeed wrong (sin) in the eyes of God. Galatians 5:19-25 NIV  The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;  idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions  and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. The reason people feel guilty is because deep inside their God given conscience, they KNOW it is wrong. The Bible teaches we all know right from wrong and our consciences accuse and defend us. But if you keep ignoring your conscience, you can seer it as with a hot iron. See Romans 2:14-15, 1 Timothy 4:2.
Robert: But fortunately, what the Bible says about sex, idolatry, orgies, etc is 100% IRRELEVANT in today's society. We don't base Laws upon what the Bible says, which contradicts itself throughout, The Bible says lots of things, the Bible also endorses and excuses some of the most depraved human acts including slavery, rape, torture, genocide and even the stoning to death and burning to death of one's own children. Luckily, modern society has forbidden much of what the Bible excuses like when we outlawed slavery and rape and killing your own child. What the sadist and psychopath do because they're mentally ill, the Biblical 'moralist' does for 'duty' or 'justice', which is why Christianity, like it's cousin Islam has so much blood on it's hands. That's why it's always research based and scientific based organizations that bring humanity things like cures for diseases, higher standards of living and more longevity, while all faith-based organizations bring us are things like ISIS, 9/11, the stoning of women and children, the Salem witch trials, the Inquisition and Crusades, the bombing of women's clinics, George Bush, David Koresh, Jim Jones, Warren Phelps, etc. The Bible hasn't taught us ANYTHING about the Cosmos that surrounds us and only pits people against one another as it condones the destruction of other people and instructs people to totally destroy others. The Bible is filled with contradictions, historical and scientific errors and is one of the most genocidal books ever written. All it takes is a light reading of it to see the insane behavior that it condones and expects and commands.
Michael: 1. Man Rebels against God first (Gen 3:11). 2. God forgives but gives strict warnings in Old Covenant to show man their depraved condition and need for salvation (Deu 28) 3. Man ignores everything God says and does what is best in his own eyes (Jud 21:25, Psa 14:2-3) 4. God brings drastic correction after many warnings (Psa 59:12-13) 5. Unbelieving and corrupt Man then blames God for all the evil in the world and chaos in their own life (Pro 19:3) 6. God allows the Devil to blind the spiritual eyes of these people so they can't see the truth and be saved because they HATED the truth (2 Cor 4:4, 2 Thes 2:9-12) 7. The message of the Bible, Jesus and the cross is perceived as foolishness to the prideful arrogant men who won't humble themselves before God until it's too late. (1 Cor 1:18). We were ALL stubborn unbelievers at one time Robert. Some of us needed God and we humbled ourselves before Him like a child and He opened our eyes. I love my Heavenly Father so much!
Robert: What the Bible says about sex or anything else is IRRELEVANT. Luckily, we don't live in a country that bases it's Laws upon what the Holy Babble says and regardless, the Bible excuses and endorses some of the most depraved human activity including slavery, rape, torture, genocide and even the stoning to death and burning to death of one's own children, which proves that the Bible is no authority on morality to begin with, which is my point. So, perhaps the one who can't see the TRUTH is you, who has yet to understand that the purpose of the Bible is to control the masses and to pull in very easily led people who never learned how to think for themselves, or accept reality as it is. The Bible says a lot of things, contradicts itself throughout and is chock full of scientific and historical inaccuracies. Even Theologians and Biblical historians admit there is not a single shred of evidence that Jesus wasn't anything other than an ordinary man who was crucified by the Romans like thousands of others, so the insanity of 'he died for our sins' is just wishful thinking and delusional. No one can 'die' for another person's sins. The word SIN itself is an invention of overactive human imaginations and every bit of morality in the Bible was plagiarized from the Pagan beliefs that predate it. Is this so difficult to understand?
Michael: I respect that you are convicted Robert. However, if you are so convinced of your atheist position, then why are you watching Christian videos that are made for people who fear God? Shouldn't you be watching more atheist videos? Are you sure you're not still trying to convince your own self that what you believe is right, because deep down you still have doubts… Perhaps your sin consciousness is increasing? A man cannot be "convinced" to believe in Jesus Christ Robert. It only happens by the Spirit of God, when a man humbles himself. He is the one who has to open the eyes of someone's heart so they can SEE. Historical evidence has no place in faith and it's completely irrelevant because even when Jesus Christ was standing right in front of people and perform miracles, they still didn't believe Him. John 6:36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you DO NOT believe.
John 3:18-20 NIV  Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.  This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.  Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. John 6:64-65 NIV  Yet there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him.  He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him."
Robert: Thanks for asking! The reason I'm here is because I care about the souls of Christians and I have delivered many Christians from the chains of their delusional beliefs because I am interested in showing them that their beliefs rest SOLEY upon blind faith. Once they understand this, they will naturally learn how to accept the simple fact and reality that GOD is a 100% MAN-MADE invention. It was MAN who created God, not the other way around. So that, when YOU understand why you dismiss Allah, Nimrod, Zeus, Apollo, Thor, Thoth, Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy as Gods, you'll understand why I and other sane folks dismiss your delusional belief in God. The fact of the matter is that the burden of proof is upon Christians if they expect anyone to actually believe their mythology and legends, which are an insult to any sane human intelligence. So, the reason why I rarely watch atheist videos is because I fully understand the natural disbelief in the supernatural, yet I don't understand why people will deny everything they know because they FEAR Hell. It's a belief system based on nothing but FEAR and blind faith, which is why it isn't true. And science has thoroughly disproven the existence of any and all 'gods'. People INVENT Gods to please themselves and it is a totally SELF-SERVING activity in self-denial and futility. You already know deep in your heart there's no God, so I don't have to convince you of anything. So the first thing you would have to do to prove your Gods existence is to PRODUCE God, which you can't and won't do because God doesn't exist. It's a very simple fact, that seems to totally confuse and anger Christians, which is what I don't understand. Atheism requires ZERO faith, and the belief in a deity requires nothing OTHER than faith. Faith is believing what you know in your heart is not true.
Michael: I find your candor and zeal refreshing even though your completely misguided my friend. You are only able to convert FALSE Christians to your unbelief, not a true born of the Spirit Christian, who has FOUND OUT and has experiential faith (John 7:17). Listen to this Robert. This will shake your faith in Atheism and the complete RANDOMNESS of all things! https://youtu.be/aOCv9KQ6wWc
By the way, you should have never "shown me your hand". Now I'm going to start praying for you my friend...LOL! I think you will make a great follower of Christ and will be helpful to the kingdom. If God can break my stubborn mother, He can surely break you in His love for you, and to see you become a true son of his, who he loves dearly. Unfortunately for you Robert, you contacted a guy who has seen God do the most amazing things you can imagine over the last 26 years of my being a Christian. I have plenty of faith to believe Him for YOU! May God bless you Robert, because He already loves you! You just don't realize it yet!
Robert: Again Michael, what the Bible says or doesn't say is irrelevant as we don't live in a country that bases Law upon what the Bible says, so maybe if you want to live in a theocracy you'd be much happier living somewhere like Iraq, Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan where people still use religion to rule the land. Luckily, in the US people are not required to subject themselves to biblical nonsense and just as there is freedom OF religion, there is also freedom FROM religion, which I exercise perpetually. Here's a couple quotes I think you'll enjoy which show the 'mercy' of your 'God'. "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he [Moses] asked them.... "Now ... kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." -- Numbers 31:1-18 (NIV) "If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house." -- Deuteronomy 22:20-1 Judges 19:24-29 “Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go. Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man’s house where her lord was, till it was light. And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold. And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place. And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.” To put it very bluntly this poor, young lady was murdered by her mate for being raped.
Michael: I'm sorry I missed this comment. No my friend, she was dead from the abuse of the rape, not because her master murdered her. He only cut her into pieces so that he could show the 12 tribes of Israel how EVIL this thing was that was being done among their own people. This was during the time of the Judges (Israel had no King) and this books perfectly illustrates what happens when people are left to do what is "right in their OWN eyes." Things were chaotic, just like they are in the world now. There is no fear of God before their eyes. "In those days Israel had no king; everyone did as he saw fit." Jud 21:25 "There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death." - Pro 14:12
Robert: WOW, did you have trouble understanding English when you were in grade or high school too? You can't disembowel and butcher a human body in to 12 pieces without MURDERING them. So, YES, he murdered her which is why he cut the body up because she'd been raped. IT perfectly illustrates the Bible's disdain for women and views women as a man's property. It shows that the authors of the Bible had no moral compass or even the slightest bit of compassion for a woman who was raped. That's why Christians went nuts in the 70's when most states in the US made raping your wife a crime. Just like the Christians whined and pissed and moaned when interracial marriage was legalized and gay marriage after it. Only someone with no moral compass would object when a minority finally is granted the same constitutional rights as all other Americans. The ENTIRE anti-gay community is comprised SOELY of so-called 'Christians' who have paid millions to continue to bash women, gays, pagans, muslims or any other belief that differs from their own.
Next reply is after He began watching my video entitled “knowing God through experience”
Robert: If lying is a sin, then why do so many Christians continue to lie about their 'God' experience. Faith is believing what you know in your heart is not true. When people start to believe that child support is a 'test from God', they have mastered the art of shitting themselves. Pay for the goddamned children you've PRODUCED! God will show you glory, when you send that money you're using to go to Florida to your hungry child or children! If you truly had faith in God, you'd send every penny to your kids and allow God to feed you!
Michael: Come on Robert, now you're starting to sound like a typical "Angry Atheist". I had you pegged for being different. My friend, part of following Jesus means sometimes you have to suffer loss and suffer from lack of convenience or finances for some time. I never asked my wife to leave me and then spend $80k to sue me, trying to use the children as a meal ticket. I became poor to follow the Lord in obedience..I serve God now, not money (Mat 6:24) It becomes my responsibility to obey and His to provide (Mat 6:33). Jesus had no place to lay his head (Mat 8:20), Peter was known to have a wife (Mat 8:14) and church history holds that he had a daughter. When he was called to walk with Christ, he had to leave them and his business (money) behind and God would have provided for a time for his family through someone else. Peter couldn't even pay a temple tax (Mat 17:27). The disciples (full time Christian workers like myself) were even financially supported by women they had served (Lk 8:3). Paul was completely broke and lost everything (Phi 3:8), made tents initially (Acts 18:3) but then received support from churches for his work (Phi 4:15) Even after Pentecost Peter still has NO money (Acts 3:6). Most of God's faithful servants have had very little financial resources in this life. They stored up treasure in heaven. Again, my friend, none of these things will make sense to you (foolishness) because you are not born again in your spirit to the things of God, but I have enjoyed explaining it to you. I'm truly blessed to be persecuted by you Robert! Mat 5:10-12 I am praying for you right now! May God richly bless you Robert Judd
Oh, by the way, I saw the last sentence of your post and I do send them almost every penny I get and you are correct, God has indeed provided for all of my needs for the last several years. He is very faithful! He saved me about $50,000 to $60,000 extra in attorney fees as well Robert. My poor ex-wife and her family spent $80,000 and received nothing more than what they had, when they walked into the courtroom. God provided a miraculous deliverance for me, just as HE promised. "And you will KNOW that I am the LORD; those who hopefully wait for me, will NOT be put to shame." Isaiah 49:23 Put your faith in Christ Robert! He will show you His faithfulness. Read John 7:17 and John 14:21-23. May God bless you indeed!
Michael: It has been MOST entertaining to dialogue with you Robert. It really has! You are not unlike many "Christians" who are stuck in the Old Covenant. Perhaps you will one day balance your Bible reading and understanding with a fresh read through the New Covenant. 2 Cor 3:14. Heb 8:6-12. In the meantime friend, you need to figure out what you are going to do about all of your sin when you die. It is appointed for a man to die once and after that to face Judgment (Heb 9:27). Apart from true faith in the blood of Jesus Christ, shed on the cross, there is NO forgiveness of sins and only and expectation of eternal death. What will you do about your SIN Robert? What about your SIN? Pretending it's not there or believing there are no moral absolutes, will not take away the SIN that you know is in your life and heart. Your conscience accuses you! Rom 2:14-16. There is NO excuse for men Rom 1:20. "He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power." 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 Ok, Robert...it's been great! To believe or not to believe...it's up to YOU and God, not ME. I'm always here if you have any more questions about your soul. I'll keep praying for you too, so watch out! LOL
Robert: Sin is a very subjective word that is used almost exclusively by those who have been indoctrinated with a whole plethora of human activity that the Bible finds objectionable, however, everyone has their own definition of what sin is. To me, sin is dishonesty, plain and simple. Saying there is a God without being able to prove it is simply dishonest. And even worse than lying to your mother is lying to your own self. I think Nietzsche has said the truest words about sin: “Doubt as sin. — Christianity has done its utmost to close the circle and declared even doubt to be sin. One is supposed to be cast into belief without reason, by a miracle, and from then on to swim in it as in the brightest and least ambiguous of elements: even a glance towards land, even the thought that one perhaps exists for something else as well as swimming, even the slightest impulse of our amphibious nature — is sin! And notice that all this means that the foundation of belief and all reflection on its origin is likewise excluded as sinful. What is wanted are blindness and intoxication and an eternal song over the waves in which reason has drowned.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche, Daybreak: Thoughts on the Prejudices of Morality “The word ‘sin’ is derived from the Indo-European root ‘es-,’ meaning ‘to be.’ When I discovered this etymology, I intuitively understood that for a [person] trapped in patriarchy, which is the religion of the entire planet, ‘to be’ in the fullest sense is ‘to sin'.” ― Mary Daly
Michael: Here's the thing my friend. You are spinning your wheels trying to convince a man that God is not real, who has seen hundreds of answers to prayer, dozens of things told in advance before they happen (John 14:29) and has hundreds of testimonies and experiential evidences of my Father's faithfulness. You can't just "convince" someone to be a Christian. Christianity is a religion of "faith" (Being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you DO NOT SEE Heb 11:1) The message of Christ was simple. If you REALLY want to know the truth about whether he was really the Son of God or not, and if His words were really true, He challenges YOU to put His words into practice and you will FIND OUT through experience (John 7:17, John 14:21-23) that He is Lord and He is God. It's not my job to "convince" anyone...that's IMPOSSIBLE. Only God can open your eyes Robert so that you can see. 500 years ago everyone was absolute convinced the sun spun around the earth. How wrong they were! Your senses will deceive you. You are spinning at 1000 mph right now, but you can't tell with your senses friend. God has no room for man's clever intellect. He ONLY accepts FAITH. There is NO OTHER WAY.
Robert: Can you give me an example of how God saved you 50K?? Did it just materialize in thin air, or did he wire it to you from his heavenly bank Western Union style? I'm very curious as to how you think this happened. In what way did God provide you with a cheap attorney or did you just simply SHOP for one like everyone else does? I think if you are truly honest with yourself, you'll instead see that there is a perfectly rational explanation without the need for a 'God'
Michael: Hi Robert...great question! Here is the full story where you can actually see it for yourself. At $15k into the divorce, the Lord spoke to me and told me to fire my attorney and He would defend me. (ONLY AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT OR INSANE PERSON WOULD DO THIS), unless of course God REALLY did speak to me and give me this direction. My ex-wife continued on and spent $80,000. That means if I matched her dollar for dollar and I had not fired my attorney and trusted God, I would have spent up to another $65,000. You still won't believe in God after watching this, but I bet you'll really enjoy seeing the story. God bless you Robert! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jMFCdRHLP8
Robert: The Lord' didn't speak to you, you are what we call in the business a schizophrenic. When you hear voices in your head you are having a 'delusional episode'. To assume it's God, shows that your heightened delusional state is fairly severe and will require both medication and therapy. I just hope for your sake that you get the help you really need. There's no God who would give 2 shits if you spent 50K or a hundred BILLION dollars on a lawyer and you can rest assured that when you mistake your mental illness for 'God', you are a pretty sick puppy. My suggestion is to use your money for a good psychiatrist and go get help right away before this 'God' starts telling you terrible things to do. And keep in mind that the same 'God' told Abraham to burn his own child alive, so please get some help as you truly need it. Hope you can break the chains that this insanity has bound you in free.
Robert: But 2000 years ago, when the Bible was written, the authors suggested that the earth was flat and sat on the 'four pillars of the earth', which is why this is written in the Bible. SURELY if the Bible is the 'word of God', the authors would have known or been inspired with the TRUE nature of our planet (and it's shape) and they would have written it as such as a sphere. This is one of the first clues that everything in the Bible is suspect and is your first clue it is false. You see, EVERYTHING us humans know today is with thanks to the SCIENTIFIC METHOD, which is how we know everything about the Cosmos that surrounds us. NONE of what we know today has been learned through the Bible or God.
Further, for you to know what 'God has no room for' you would have some psychic link to his thoughts and intentions, which isn't the case. This also shows your insanity.
The only thing I'm trying to get you to notice is that you come across as someone who is hopelessly insane. Please get some help! The only reason I'm responding is because I have loved ones with mental health issues and I hate to see people suffer and after just a few words of your video it is sure that you are suffering from severe delusional states.
Michael: My friend, perhaps you should have read Isaiah 40:22. "He (God) sits enthroned above the CIRCLE OF THE EARTH." Isn't that amazing...long before "Christopher Columbus" and long before any human being of science knew that the earth was a circle...THE WORD OF GOD KNEW IT! Just as you claim it should have. Robert, you will NEVER understand the Word of God, until you are BORN AGAIN. There is NO other way my friend. God will not tolerate men trying to ascertain the secrets of the Bible through petty intellect. "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise: the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." 1 Cor 1:18-19 The man without the Spirit DOES NOT ACCEPT the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are FOOLISHNESS to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned (understood). I Corinthians 2:14... Aren't you at least impressed that a DELUSIONAL made up RELIGIOUS book of fairytales predicted 2,000 years ago EXACTLY how YOU feel today? That's Incredible! 2,000 years ago, the book you despise and think is foolish, PREDICTED with pinpoint accuracy the exact way you feel about it, thousands of years before you were even born! WOW! God's Word is AMAZING...thousands of prophecies...hundreds already fulfilled, including the one about how YOU feel about IT!
Michael: This has been a very interesting conversation my friend, but I must admit that in my zeal to learn your viewpoint, I have violated a few wise teachings in the Scriptures. Since I live to obey my Father, I must bid you goodbye until and unless you catch the same "mental illness" as me friend. Perhaps the day may come when you regret your unbelief and saying the things you have said against the Lord and your sins. In that day, just remember that the BLOOD OF CHRIST can cleanse away ALL sin and change your life forever! May God the Father Bless You to actually KNOW Him one day!
Robert: My life has already been changed forever, therefore, I have no use for the blood of Christ or anyone else. Only a person who is mentally ill, would suggest such a clearly insane thought. What makes you think that a persons BLOOD can cleanse anything???? Are you really lost your grip on reality this badly?? There is hope for you, but you have to be willing to accept reality as it is, instead of how you BELIEVE it is based on your fear-mongering religious beliefs that use FEAR to instill obedience in you. As long as you hold on to these delusional beliefs, you will never be free.
Robert: My only suggestion for you is to go seek a mental health professional before you hurt yourself and while it may take a number of years of deprogramming before you again have a solid grip on reality, you'll feel SO much better and so free from the delusional thoughts that have consumed you for some time now. And I don't necessarily think the entire Bible is foolish, it's the FOLLOWERS of the Bible who are most often the biggest fools of all, and you are the best evidence of that ever conceived. So, thank you for being such a good example! I rest my case!